having just re"read" ishmael I took issue with the frank herbert quote here specifically "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." from Quinn's perspective that is a strictly human way of looking at things.

we want independence from "the gods" so we rebell from being leavers and become takers. we want to sustain our lifeline without following the rules this forces us to conquor. to conquor somthing is not to controll it it is simply a temporary fix whitch requires another fix and we end up with a leaky dam and not enough fingers. Quinn suggests that this story is ancient war propaganda. Cain, a member of the taker philosophy and an agriculturist felt man's fate was in his hands. He showed these beliefs through the harvesting and storing of food. Abel, a member of the leavers demonstrated his philosophy of leaving everything alone except for what was needed in his hunter gatherer lifestyle. Cain and Abel represented two cultures. When these two cultures clashed, the takers began "watering their fields with the blood of . . . herders". Cain took Abel's life because according to him, the world was made for human control.

pretty normal week means little to talk about. work hung out at wirians tonite for a movie. just an update to say no update this week. still outlook is good